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02/02/2022 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:35:22 PM Start
03:36:47 PM SB148
04:38:50 PM Adjourn
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          SB 148-BOATING SAFETY EDUCATION REQUIREMENT                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:36:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  NO. 148                                                               
"An Act relating to mandatory  boating safety education; relating                                                               
to  operating  a  boat;  providing   for  an  effective  date  by                                                               
repealing the  effective dates of secs.  3, 5, 7, 9,  11, 14, 16,                                                               
18, 20, 23,  26, and 27, ch.  28, SLA 2000, sec. 3,  ch. 119, SLA                                                               
2003, sec. 2, ch.  31, SLA 2012, and secs. 5 and  8, ch. 111, SLA                                                               
2018; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:37:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE joined the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:37:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  ROGER  HOLLAND,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska, sponsor  of SB  148 presented the  bill. He  informed the                                                               
committee that he spent 30 years  in the U.S. Coast Guard Reserve                                                               
and had been in the U.S.  Coast Auxiliary in Alaska for 10 years.                                                               
Throughout  his  career he  taught  innumerable  people to  pilot                                                               
boats and conducted many boating  safety classes. SB 148 seeks to                                                               
decrease boating fatalities in Alaska.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND read the sponsor statement for SB 148:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     According to  the U.S. Coast Guard  Office of Auxiliary                                                                    
     and Boating  Safety data, Alaska holds  the unfortunate                                                                    
     title  of  having  some  of  the  highest  recreational                                                                    
     boating  fatality rates  in the  United States.  At 7.7                                                                    
     times   the  national   average,   Alaska  suffers   50                                                                    
     fatalities  per  100,000  registered boats.  On  a  per                                                                    
     capita basis,  Alaska's fatality rate of  33 deaths per                                                                    
     million people  is over 14 times  the national average.                                                                    
     SB  148 aims  to reduce  those figures  through boating                                                                    
     safety education.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The Boating Safety data for  2020 shows that 60% of all                                                                    
     boating accidents were a  result of improper operation,                                                                    
     90% of accidents involve a  boat of greater than 10 hp,                                                                    
     and 77% of deaths in  which the operator's training was                                                                    
     known  involved  an  operator with  no  boating  safety                                                                    
     education.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's  Department  of  Natural  Resources  currently                                                                    
     offers  a  boating   safety  education  program  funded                                                                    
     through boating registration  receipts. However, unlike                                                                    
     many  of  the  lower  48 states,  Alaska's  program  is                                                                    
     completely  voluntary.  SB  148   would  begin  a  slow                                                                    
     transition  toward requiring  boating safety  education                                                                    
     as  a  requirement  for  operating  a  boat.  The  bill                                                                    
     exempts  those with  a commercial  fishing license  and                                                                    
     Coast  Guard Merchant  Mariner credentials.  To prevent                                                                    
     overwhelming the Boating  Safety Education program with                                                                    
     tens  of thousands  of participants  all  at once,  the                                                                    
     bill proposes that all Alaskans  under the age of 18 on                                                                    
     the  effective   date  must  take  the   course  before                                                                    
     operating a boat of at least 10 hp.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I've  drafted   this  legislation  with  the   goal  of                                                                    
     creating  the  smallest  burden on  our  residents  and                                                                    
     minimal  cost to  our government.  I believe  that this                                                                    
     bill would  save lives, as better  training reduces the                                                                    
     number of boating accidents  we experience. Please join                                                                    
     me in supporting this important effort.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:40:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HOLLAND read the Sectional Analysis for SB 148:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided with some formatting changes.]                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 1                                                                                                                   
     Amends  AS  05.25.053(b),  relating  to  the  statewide                                                                    
     boating  safety  education  program,  by  removing  the                                                                    
     program  duties     Which  are   inserted  into  a  new                                                                    
     subsection (d) in section 2 of the bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 2                                                                                                                   
     Creates new subsections AS  05.25.053(d) and (e), which                                                                    
     lay  out  the  responsibilities of  the  Department  of                                                                    
     Natural Resources  (DNR) in implementing  the statewide                                                                    
     boating safety education program.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 3                                                                                                                   
     Establishes a new section AS 05.25.054, which                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     (a)  directs DNR  to  issues  boating safety  education                                                                    
     cards to persons that pass the course.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     (b)  requires   anyone  age  16   and  older   to  have                                                                    
     acceptable  proof that  they are  trained to  operate a                                                                    
     boat.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 4                                                                                                                   
     Establishes a fine  of $50 for a  violation of carrying                                                                    
     acceptable  proof that  they are  trained to  operate a                                                                    
     boat.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 5                                                                                                                   
     Authorizes the Division of Motor  Vehicles to create an                                                                    
     indicator of  boating safety training  to be  placed on                                                                    
     drivers' licenses.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 6                                                                                                                   
     Authorizes the Division of Motor  Vehicles to create an                                                                    
     indicator of  boating safety training  to be  placed on                                                                    
     State identification cards.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 7                                                                                                                   
     Repeals   the  reverting   sections  of   the  original                                                                    
     enacting  legislation for  the boating  safety program,                                                                    
     and  later   amendments  to  it,  that   were  tied  to                                                                    
     conditional repealing language in HB 108 (2000).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 8                                                                                                                   
     Repeals the  repealer section of the  original enacting                                                                    
     legislation for  the boating safety program,  and later                                                                    
     amendments  to   it,  that  was  tied   to  conditional                                                                    
     repealing language in HB 108 (2000).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 9                                                                                                                   
     Effective date clause.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:42:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HOLLAND began the presentation  about boating safety with                                                               
the graph on slide 2 that  shows the number of boating fatalities                                                               
per 100,000  registered boats. He  pointed out that Alaska  is at                                                               
the top  of the graph with  about 2.5 times more  fatalities than                                                               
the next highest state, which is Colorado.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND directed  attention to the pie chart  on slide 3,                                                               
Percent of Deaths  by Known Operator Instruction.  As was pointed                                                               
out in the sponsor statement, more  than 75 percent of the deaths                                                               
involved  individuals with  no boater  safety  education. Of  the                                                               
remaining   deaths,  11.2   percent   of   operators  had   state                                                               
instruction;  10.5 percent  of operators  had informal  or online                                                               
training; and 1.2 percent had  instruction from USCG Auxiliaries,                                                               
U.S. Power Squadrons, or the American Red Cross.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:43:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HOLLAND advanced  to slide  4, Education  Requirement by                                                               
State.  He  said Indiana  and  Minnesota  now do  have  mandatory                                                               
boating safety  education so just  four landlocked states  do not                                                               
have  mandatory boating  safety education.  He highlighted  that,                                                               
although one-third  to half  of all the  coastline in  the United                                                               
States is  in Alaska, mandatory  boating safety education  is not                                                               
required.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND  deferred to Joe  McCullough to discuss  slide 5,                                                               
Existing Program.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:45:11 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:45:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  reconvened the meeting  and asked Mr.  McCullough to                                                               
discuss slide 5.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:46:14 PM                                                                                                                    
JOE  MCCULLOUGH, Boating  Law  Administrator,  Office of  Boating                                                               
Safety, Division  of Parks and Outdoor  Recreation, Department of                                                               
Natural  Resources, Anchorage,  Alaska, stated  that since  2000,                                                               
Since  nearly 13,000  National Association  of State  Boating Law                                                               
Administrators (NASBLA)  approved course  completion certificates                                                               
have been issued. Many boaters  have opted for online instruction                                                               
and several  thousand have attended  in-person classes.  He noted                                                               
that the latter seems to be  an Alaska preference. The program is                                                               
managed by the  Department of Natural Resources but  is mostly He                                                               
stated  his  belief  that the  existing  funding  was  sufficient                                                               
should SB 148 pass and the training become mandatory.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:48:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HOLLAND paraphrased slide 6, Bill Highlights.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        • Requires boaters to complete a training course                                                                        
          before operating a boat over 10 hp                                                                                    
          • Exemptions for:                                                                                                     
            • Anyone over 18 on the effective date                                                                              
             • Commercial fishing license holder                                                                                
             •  Coast Guard Merchant Mariner credential                                                                         
                holder                                                                                                          
             • Anyone who has passed any other department                                                                       
               approved boating safety course                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        • Creates a "boating safety" insignia for a                                                                             
          driver's license or state ID                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        • Removes contingent repeal tied to federal funding                                                                     
        • Sunset date was previously repealed in 2012                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND offered to discuss  the contingent repeal tied to                                                               
federal funding if there were questions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:50:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL  FOLKERTS, Recreational  Boating Safety  Specialist, U.S.                                                               
Coast  Guard  (USCG)  District  17,  Juneau,  Alaska,  introduced                                                               
himself.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:50:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS  voiced  support  for the  bill  but  asked  the                                                               
sponsor  if  he  would   consider  adding  demonstrated  swimming                                                               
competency to the requirements in the boating safety program.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:51:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HOLLAND replied a concern  is giving people the idea that                                                               
swimming is  a safe option  in cold waters where  hypothermia can                                                               
occur quickly  after immersion. He relayed  his experience during                                                               
a  USCG training  session in  Savoonga  [a city  on St.  Lawrence                                                               
Island  in  the   Bering  Sea]  of  giving   local  fishermen  an                                                               
opportunity to try lifesaving safety gear in the water.                                                                         
These people  had spent as much  as 40 years working  on and near                                                               
the water  and none had ever  gone in because going  in the water                                                               
usually means death.  He added that he did not  believe any state                                                               
had swimming as a requirement in a boating safety program.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS voiced  support for  giving kids  in Alaska  the                                                               
opportunity to learn  to swim. He asked if the  Coast Guard has a                                                               
requirement for swimming.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND deferred the question to Mr. Folkerts.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOLKERTS answered  no, that is outside the scope  of any USCG                                                               
approved  boating   safety  programs.  Nevertheless,   he  highly                                                               
supports  learning  to  swim  and believes  it  gives  boaters  a                                                               
measure of confidence  that may make the  difference in surviving                                                               
an unplanned cold water immersion event.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:53:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK asked who would enforce this policy.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOLKERTS answered that this would  be a state law enforced by                                                               
state  law   enforcement  officers  like  state   troopers,  park                                                               
rangers,  or   those  with   the  authority   and  jurisdictional                                                               
capacity. The  USCG assists in  supporting state law and  may ask                                                               
to see  the certificate  if they  board a  vessel. If  the boater                                                               
does not  have a card the  matter would be referred  to the state                                                               
for potential prosecution.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK  referred to the  authorizations in Sections 5  and 6                                                               
for  the Division  of Motor  Vehicles  (DMV) to  place a  boating                                                               
safety training  decal on  driver's licenses.  He asked  how this                                                               
might  be  handled  in  remote  areas of  the  Interior  and  for                                                               
Alaskans who do not have driver's licenses.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HOLLAND asked  if the  question pertained  to a  lack of                                                               
accessibility to the training program.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK confirmed he was  talking about the unique situations                                                               
in rural  Alaska, whether it  was access  to the training  on the                                                               
internet or not  having a driver's license on which  to place the                                                               
decal.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:55:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HOLLAND deferred to Joe McCullough.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCULLOUGH  responded that the  Department of  Public Safety,                                                               
has  said enforcement  would begin  soft  then phase  in. To  the                                                               
question of access for rural residents,  he said the decal on the                                                               
driver's license is optional, not  a requirement. Boaters may opt                                                               
to  carry the  boater  safety training  card  they receive  after                                                               
completing the  training program.  To the  question of  access to                                                               
the training  when the  internet is  not an  option, he  said the                                                               
Coast Guard  is always available  to train  community instructors                                                               
or conduct  the training  itself. He cited  the Kids  Don't Float                                                               
program that  has reached  about 6,000 schools  and said  he sees                                                               
that this  program will  be handled in  a similar  fashion. "It's                                                               
not going to happen overnight,  but we do have the infrastructure                                                               
to do it," he said.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REVAK shared  that he  had  used the  Morale, Welfare  and                                                               
Recreation (MWR) services at JBER  and he found it very valuable.                                                               
He explained that  to rent a boat through MWR  it is necessary to                                                               
take a safety class.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:57:49 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL thanked  the sponsor for bringing  the bill forward                                                               
and  noted  that  he  is  generally a  fan  of  safety  education                                                               
programs.  He said  he  had  two lines  of  questions. The  first                                                               
relates  to state  boating  fatality  rates on  slide  2 and  the                                                               
second  relates to  the educational  requirement on  slide 4.  He                                                               
questioned   the   correlation   between   states   with   safety                                                               
requirements and  low boating  fatality rates  as opposed  to the                                                               
reverse. He highlighted the potentially  broad variation in these                                                               
state programs and asked if research shows that they work.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND  answered that the  graph reflects a  snapshot in                                                               
time, and  the number  of fatalities in  Alaska fluctuates  a lot                                                               
from year to  year. COVID pushed more Alaskans  into the outdoors                                                               
the  last two  years  due  to cabin  fever.  He  deferred to  Mr.                                                               
Folkerts to elaborate on the fatality numbers.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:59:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. FOLKERTS agreed with the  sponsor's explanation. The graph is                                                               
not necessarily indicative of Alaska  over five or ten years, but                                                               
it  does indicate  how Alaska  compares  to Lower  48 states.  He                                                               
recounted that Alaska  was the last state or  territory to create                                                               
a boating  safety law. Twenty  years ago Alaska started  the Kids                                                               
Dont   Float program  and it  has proved  to be  one of  the most                                                               
powerful  programs in  the country.  Education  does improve  the                                                               
ability to make the right decisions on the water.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOLKERTS  acknowledged  the general  Alaskan  feeling  about                                                               
federal  intervention/overreach  and  advised that  federal  code                                                               
indicates  that  states have  the  authority  to lead  their  own                                                               
boating  safety  programs.  In  this case,  the  Coast  Guard  is                                                               
Alaska's  partner,  and  it  supports the  state  in  its  safety                                                               
programs. Education may not save  every life, but education helps                                                               
people make better decisions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK asked Rickey Gease to comment.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:02:04 PM                                                                                                                    
RICKEY   GEASE,  Director,   Division   of   Parks  and   Outdoor                                                               
Recreation, Department  of Natural Resources,  Anchorage, Alaska,                                                               
suggested  that John  Johnson from  the  National Association  of                                                               
State  Boating   Law  Administrators  respond  to   the  previous                                                               
question. He  has data  on the  effectiveness of  mandatory state                                                               
boating safety programs.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK said he first wanted to hear from the sponsor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND  confirmed that  John Johnson  was the  expert to                                                               
answer Senator Kiehl's question  about data and whether mandatory                                                               
boating safety training actually saves lives.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:03:19 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN JOHNSON,  Chief Executive  Officer, National  Association of                                                               
State Boating  Law Administrators (NASBLA),  Lexington, Kentucky,                                                               
reported  that NASBLA  has developed  national boating  education                                                               
standards,  national marine  law enforcement  training standards,                                                               
and model acts and best practices  to help states move forward on                                                               
boating safety. He listed the  resources NASBLA has available for                                                               
states, including   a policy  position on mandatory  education, a                                                               
model  act  on  mandatory  education, and  a  dashboard  of  data                                                               
regarding education requirements by state.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
To  Senator Kiehl's  question, he  said  NASBLA began  collecting                                                               
data in  2007 to study  the effectiveness of  mandatory education                                                               
programs. The study  looked at states that  had mandatory boating                                                               
education requirements  in place for:  1) 20 years or  longer, 2)                                                               
10-19  years,  3)  1-9  years, and  4)  states  without  mandated                                                               
training. In  group 1 the  average was 3.89 fatalities  per year;                                                               
in  group 2  the average  rose to  5.52 fatalities  per year;  in                                                               
group 3 the  average was 6.5 fatalities per year;  and the states                                                               
without   mandatory  boating   safety  training   averaged  12.28                                                               
fatalities per year, more than twice the other groups.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  said that more  recent data was collected  for 2015-                                                               
2019  that includes  states that  added mandatory  training since                                                               
2007.  The new  data group  looks  at states  that had  mandatory                                                               
education requirements  in place for:  1) 35 years or  longer; 2)                                                               
25-34 years; 3)  under 25 years; and 4)  states without mandatory                                                               
training. In group 1 the average  fatality rate was 3.7 per year;                                                               
in group 2 the average fatality  rate was 6.79 per year; in group                                                               
3 the  average fatality rate was  6.95 per year; and  the average                                                               
fatality rate  in the  14 states  without mandatory  training was                                                               
14.28 per year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON identified  the  big takeaway  as  the widening  gap                                                               
between  the  fatalities  among  states  with  mandatory  boating                                                               
safety education and those without.  He restated that the average                                                               
fatalities  for those  states  without  mandatory boating  safety                                                               
training has  grown from 12.28 deaths  per year in 2007  to 14.28                                                               
deaths per year  in 2019. By contrast,  annual boating fatalities                                                               
in  states with  mandatory boating  safety training  requirements                                                               
have stayed  about the same.  Overall, he said boaters  in states                                                               
without  boating  safety  education requirements  are  more  than                                                               
twice as  likely to die  from a  boating incident. He  offered to                                                               
provide the data and the reports he referenced.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:07:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL stated he'd like to see the reports.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REVAK asked  Mr. Johnson  to send  the information  to his                                                               
office.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:07:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI asked  the sponsor if somebody who  rents a boat                                                               
or  skiff  would  be  required  to  carry  proof  that  they  had                                                               
completed the boating safety training.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HOLLAND offered  his understanding  that the  bill would                                                               
require somebody who  rents a boat in Alaska to  have completed a                                                               
boating  safety training  course and  carry proof,  electronic or                                                               
hard copy.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI  stated  he  wanted   to  read  that.  He  also                                                               
questioned  whether   the  sponsor   would  consider   a  delayed                                                               
effective date                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK said he noted the question.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND  supplemented his previous response  and directed                                                               
attention  to   the  language   in  Section   3.  The   new  Sec.                                                               
05.25.054(b)  says "A  person  may  not operate  a  boat with  an                                                               
engine of 10  horsepower or more 20 unless" they  are at least 16                                                               
years  old  and had  completed  a  dockside safety  check  before                                                               
operating the boat.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:09:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  referenced  the  fiscal  note  and  asked  for                                                               
confirmation  that the  mandatory program  carries no  cost other                                                               
than the change to a person's identification card.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND  confirmed that  the bill  carried a  zero fiscal                                                               
note. He added  that a forthcoming fiscal note  would reflect the                                                               
$14,000 for DMV to add a decal to drivers licenses.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if the  boating safety  instruction would                                                               
be no cost for the public.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HOLLAND  answered  that  organizations  such  as  BoatUS                                                               
provide free  online boating safety courses.  He deferred further                                                               
response to Mr. McCullough.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:10:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MCCULLOUGH advised  that the  BoatUS Foundation  offers free                                                               
courses  in  boater  safety   training;  the  state's  nationally                                                               
approved Water-Wise course is free;  the USCG Auxiliary charges a                                                               
small  fee   to  cover  materials;  and   fee-based  courses  are                                                               
available  online. He  restated that  the department  submitted a                                                               
zero fiscal note because it would  incur no cost to implement the                                                               
mandatory program; the voluntary program  is already in place and                                                               
individuals have a variety of options to get the training.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HOLLAND   followed-up  saying   that  the   Coast  Guard                                                               
Auxiliary charges  $75 for  a 10  week night  class that  is very                                                               
comprehensive.  The  fee  primarily  covers  the  text.  National                                                               
organizations  also offer  fee-based  online educational  modules                                                               
tailored to particular state laws.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked  how many Alaskans would have  to take the                                                               
mandatory training because they fall outside of the exemptions.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND said he would follow up with the information.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK asked Mr. Giese if he had the information.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:13:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. GEASE answered no, but he  would work with the sponsor to get                                                               
the information.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:14:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS asked  if the bill requires a  boater to complete                                                               
a certain number of hours of boating safety education.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND answered  that there are a variety  of classes of                                                               
different lengths.  The USCG  Auxiliary has  four and  eight hour                                                               
classes and the state offers  an eight hour NASBLA-approved class                                                               
on  boating  safety.  The  USCG   auxiliary  class  he  mentioned                                                               
previously  meets one  night  a  week for  three  hours over  the                                                               
course of  10 weeks. It is  much broader and more  expansive than                                                               
basic boater safety.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS  asked  what  the  legal  requirements  are  for                                                               
boating safety  and whether  the eight  hour class  would satisfy                                                               
those.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND deferred the question to Mr. McCullough.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:16:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MCCULLOUGH  referenced Title 5  and said the basic  state and                                                               
the federal  requirements include:  life jackets,  sound signals,                                                               
boat registration,  navigation lights  if the boat  operates from                                                               
sunset  to  sunrise,  and  a visual  distress  signal.  The  USCG                                                               
Auxiliary  class also  addresses  the use  of  alcohol and  other                                                               
substances that affect cogent operation of a boat.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:17:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  whether there  is reciprocity  among states                                                               
with these boating safety programs.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND deferred the question to Mr. Folkerts.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOLKERTS  responded that  the  standard  for boating  safety                                                               
education  is NASBLA  approval, so  any course  that meets  those                                                               
requirements may transfer to another  state. However, it is not a                                                               
given.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL asked  if the bill requires boaters  to renew their                                                               
safety education.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND returned to the  question of reciprocity and read                                                               
the exception in  subsection (b)(7) for persons  operating a boat                                                               
with an engine of 10 horsepower  or more. He read the language in                                                               
paragraph (7) on page 4, line 2:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          (7) the person is a resident of another state and                                                                     
       is carrying on the boat a boating safety education                                                                       
       card approved by the National Association of State                                                                       
     Boating Law Administrators; or                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He asked Senator Kiehl to repeat his second question.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   KIEHL   asked   if   the   bill   requires   continuing                                                               
education/refresher  courses/renewal or  if  the  safety card  is                                                               
valid for life.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND  answered that the  boating safety training  is a                                                               
one-time class. It does not need to be renewed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:20:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE noted  that the  bill  exempts individuals  who                                                               
hold  a commercial  fishing license  or a  valid USCG  commercial                                                               
operator's license to  operate a "six-pack" or  larger vessel. He                                                               
referenced  the repealer  language  and asked  if  the state  has                                                               
foregone federal funding  because it does not  have mandated safe                                                               
boater education.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:21:36 PM                                                                                                                    
ED KING, Staff, Senator Roger  Holland, Alaska State Legislature,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska,  explained that the  state has been able  to fund                                                               
the  voluntary program  with federal  funds since  2000 and  that                                                               
will  continue  after  SB  148  passes.  The  existing  law  does                                                               
condition the program on the  continuation of federal funding. SB
148  proposes  to  remove  that   condition  to  give  the  state                                                               
discretion  to continue  the program  should the  federal funding                                                               
stop.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:22:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  offered his understanding  that the bill  makes it                                                               
illegal for a person who is under  the age of twelve to operate a                                                               
boat with  an engine that is  greater than 10 horsepower  if they                                                               
are alone.  He shared  that he  did that when  he was  young, and                                                               
asked for an explanation of that limitation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:24:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP joined the meeting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:24:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HOLLAND  pointed  out   that  the  bill  only  addresses                                                               
motorized  watercraft of  greater  than 10  horsepower. He  noted                                                               
that a  twelve-year-old could legally  operate a boat with  a 9.9                                                               
HP engine.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL said  he'd have  to think  about that  requirement                                                               
given that a life-jacketed young Jesse  Kiehl spent a lot of time                                                               
running  around on  flat  water  in a  Zodiac  inflatable with  a                                                               
crummy 20 HP Mercury outboard.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:25:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  drew laughter when he  asked if it was  too late                                                               
to prosecute the senator.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK asked Mr. King if he had something to add.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KING  stated  that  SB   148  was  drafted  based  on  model                                                               
legislation from NASBLA,  and Mr. Johnson may be  able to discuss                                                               
why the 12-year-old limitation is in the model legislation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:26:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JOHNSON  explained that the  limitation came from a  group of                                                               
boating safety  officials who determined  that it  was reasonable                                                               
to  assume   that  a  12-year-old  could   understand  the  rules                                                               
associated with a  boating safety education course  and operate a                                                               
motorized watercraft safely.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK asked Mr. King if he had anything to add.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:27:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KING highlighted two issues  the committee might consider for                                                               
amendment.  First,  the two  references  to  United States  Coast                                                               
Guard commercial  operator's license should instead  refer to the                                                               
United  States  Coast  Guard  merchant  mariner  credential.  The                                                               
second issue  relates to  the language on  page 3,  lines [28-29]                                                               
that   talks  about   completing  a   required  dockside   safety                                                               
checklist.  Because that  information  might not  exist in  state                                                               
law,  he  suggested  the  committee  might  consider  giving  the                                                               
department regulatory authority to develop that checklist.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REVAK said  he would  work  with the  sponsor's office  to                                                               
address those items before the bill is heard again.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:28:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked for confirmation  that the bill  does not                                                               
specifically address registered guides  who may hold a "six-pack"                                                               
license,  which  is  very  different   than  a  merchant  mariner                                                               
certificate.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KING said  the language was flagged  as incorrect terminology                                                               
and  the  sponsor  could further  discuss  what  the  terminology                                                               
should be.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:28:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK opened public testimony on SB 148.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:29:11 PM                                                                                                                    
JOE GROVES,  representing self, Kotzebue, Alaska,  stated that he                                                               
is a  licensed merchant mariner  who has worked with  the schools                                                               
and the school district as well  as at the state level to advance                                                               
boating  safety.  He  opined that  boating  safety  education  is                                                               
important,  particularly  in  regions   such  as  Kotzebue  where                                                               
transportation  centers on  the water.  Boating safety  education                                                               
has  definitely  saved  lives  in   this  area,  so  he  supports                                                               
legislation that promotes such training.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:30:31 PM                                                                                                                    
KELLY TOTH,  representing self, Anchorage, Alaska,  reported that                                                               
she previously spent eight years  as an education coordinator for                                                               
the Office  of Boating  Safety. She also  serves on  the national                                                               
standards  panel  for the  National  Association  of Boating  Law                                                               
Administrators,   which  helps   establish   the  standards   the                                                               
committee  has  been  discussing.  She  explained  that  national                                                               
standards are built  on a consensus basis and  issued through the                                                               
American National Standards Institute.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. TOTH reported that Dr.  Michael Tipton conducted a study that                                                               
looked  at how  mandatory boating  safety education  and training                                                               
saves lives. She  offered to follow up with the  study. She added                                                               
that  any  good injury  prevention  program  includes the  public                                                               
health pillars of engineering, education,  and enforcement and SB
148  addresses   the  education  component.  She   concluded  her                                                               
testimony by sharing a story about  a father, a son, and an uncle                                                               
who capsized  an overloaded  canoe while  moose hunting.  The son                                                               
was  trained  in  boating  safety  and the  only  one  wearing  a                                                               
lifejacket.  He is  credited with  saving his  father and  uncle.                                                               
Anecdotally we know that education saves lives, she said.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:33:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK closed public testimony on SB 148.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLAND said  it will be a large lift  to move Alaska out                                                               
of first  place among  states in  annual boating  fatalities, but                                                               
it's worth the effort.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:34:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE shared  his  boating experiences  as  a boy  in                                                               
Florida and  later as an  adult in Alaska and  questioned whether                                                               
it was  realistic to have  national standards when there  is such                                                               
variability in water and weather conditions across the country.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HOLLAND  agreed that  one  size  does  not fit  all  but                                                               
national companies that have helped  40 other states were waiting                                                               
to  help adapt  training  standards to  fit  Alaska. He  deferred                                                               
further comment to Mr. Johnson.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:37:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JOHNSON  said  the  national   standards  provide  a  common                                                               
denominator  that leaves  room  for each  state  to add  specific                                                               
provisions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:38:25 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:38:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK reconvened the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[CHAIR REVAK held SB 148 in committee.]                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 148 Fiscal Note DOA-DMV 1.29.2022.pdf SRES 2/2/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 148
SB 148 Fiscal Note DOR 1.28.2022.pdf SRES 2/2/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 148
SB 148 Presentation 2.2.2022.pdf SRES 2/2/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 148
SB 148 Sectional Analysis 2.2.2022.pdf SRES 2/2/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 148
SB 148 Sponsor Statement 2.2.2022.pdf SRES 2/2/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 148
SB 148 Written Public Testimony 2.2.2022.pdf SRES 2/2/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 148